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Drexster
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Canada
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 Posted - 10/05/2005 : 03:17:39
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I'm trying to figure out is if it's possible to use an apple 30" lcd monitor for HD content other then from my desktop, such as next generation console gaming? As of my knowledge the Xbox 360 will have component video as it's highest output. Can anyone recommend a conversion of component to dvi? I think Pioneer has an HDMI capable receiver, and then using an HDMI to DVI converter to connect to the Display, or do you need a computer with suitable video card to run the display.
The reason i want to figure this out is because i want to purchase an LCD display suitable for my PowerMac G5 but that i can also use for future HD content. Any information would be appreciated. |
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Posted - 10/05/2005 : 11:37:03
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Hello,
The Xbox 360 will have at least one form of a digital video output. Whether or not playing games on this will require a display to be HDCP Compliant is unsure. So in purchasing a 30" Display you will be getting a dual link DVI display that is not HDCP Compliant, probably not the best display for future compatibility. I would recommend a 1080p LCD TV as the choice for current computer use and future HDTV and gaming use.
Eric Lin
Sales/Technical Support
Gefen Inc.
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Drexster
Starting Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2005 : 14:32:12
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Thanks.
The problem with that is that 1080p is quite a low resolution for a desktop, especially when doing compositing and editing. I have a 20" LCD at the moment which runs at 1680x1050.
I don't think the 360 will require HDCP, as the only digital output i've seen on Microsoft's site is a VGA cable, which could then go to DVI quite easily. I don't plan on using the monitor for anything other then my G5 which i would watch DVDs from, and consoles. Let me know what you think. |
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Posted - 10/09/2005 : 10:40:03
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Hello,
None of the apple displays will support the same resolutions that future consoles will probably support so your Apple Display will be limited to computer uses.
Eric Lin
Sales/Technical Support
Gefen Inc.
800.545.6900
818.884.6294
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sfhub
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 00:50:39
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Originally posted by Drexster
I don't think the 360 will require HDCP, as the only digital output i've seen on Microsoft's site is a VGA cable, which could then go to DVI quite easily. I don't plan on using the monitor for anything other then my G5 which i would watch DVDs from, and consoles. Let me know what you think.
VGA is not a digital connection, it is an analog connection. HDCP is only available on digital connections, so discussing HDCP and VGA is a moot point. Converting VGA to DVI-D requires more than a dongle, so the xbox VGA output cannot be directly used with a DVI-D port. It can be directly used with VGA, DVI-A, or DVI-I port on a monitor.
When Eric mentioned digital video output, I believe he was referring to DVI-D or HDMI output. It is not clear which one X360 will support and whether HDCP will be required.
The native resolution of ACD 30 is 2560x1600. There are 2 issues with this resolution. First it does not match the most common HD output formats of 1920x1080 or 1280x720. There will be scaling for any HD content which means you lose 1:1 pixel mapping. Second issue is this display requires dual-link DVI to support full resolution. That means all your intermediate components, video cards, cables, switching, etc. will all have to be dual-link compatible. There is virtually zero chance X360 will support dual-link DVI or HDMI output. Thus, you will be limited to ACD 30 max resolution using single-link. I do not know what that is, but it is not the native 2560x1600 resolution.
I think Eric's suggestion of getting 1080p LCD TV is a good suggestion. You will have less issues over time and will enjoy the display more as a result. ACD is great for computer use, but it isn't great for HD or gaming use. There are few video cards that can effectively play modern games using 2560x1600 resolution.
Windows Vista (which will be required for HD-DVD playback) is currently requiring HDCP displays for HD-DVD playback. This will probably cause issues with ACD 30 resulting in lower resolution HD-DVD playback.
However, knowing these issues, if you still wish to obtain ACD 30, it is a very nice screen for desktop use and photo editing.
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Aaron Hernandez
Advanced Member
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 16:33:48
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Look for the Mini-Mate for the 30 inch Cinema Display; in the 2nd quarter of 2006.
This will take component HD output and will it to the 30 inch Apple cinema display.
Aaron Hernandez
Sales Engineer
Gefen Inc.
6265 Variel Ave.
Woodland Hills, CA 91367
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mikkonieminen
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 07:31:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Hernandez
Look for the Mini-Mate for the 30 inch Cinema Display; in the 2nd quarter of 2006.
This will take component HD output and will it to the 30 inch Apple cinema display.
Aaron Hernandez
Is there a product which could be used between Xbox 360 and ACD 30? It doesn't matter if full resolution of ACD 30 is not utilized.
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Aaron Hernandez
Advanced Member
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 10:36:55
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ACD 30 ? do you mean 30" apple cinema display display.
There is no product yet that support component to the 30" Cinema Display.
Aaron Hernandez
Sales Engineer
Gefen Inc.
6265 Variel Ave.
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gRSX00
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Posted - 02/02/2006 : 11:09:48
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Posted - 02/02/2006 : 16:50:53
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The HD games out of the xbox360 support Hd resolutions so the picture will fill your display nicely.
Eric Lin
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Gefen Inc.
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cliff1
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 13:58:20
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Originally posted by sfhub
The native resolution of ACD 30 is 2560x1600. There are 2 issues with this resolution. First it does not match the most common HD output formats of 1920x1080 or 1280x720. There will be scaling for any HD content which means you lose 1:1 pixel mapping.
Does this mean that simply plugging in the DVI cable of my 30-inch Apple Cinema Display into the DVI output of my HD cable tv set-top box will not show any picture at all? a distorted picture? a fine picture that just isn't as good as it could be?
I heard that Gefen is coming out with something this summer to convert component out to DVI in for the ACD 30, but I'm curious what my options are right now.
Thanks.
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 17:22:31
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You wont get any picture at all or just snow.
The HD mate 30 for the 30" cinema display is what you will want when it is released.
Eric Lin
Sales/Technical Support
Gefen Inc.
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Joe van Tunen
Starting Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 12:40:14
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Originally posted by sfhub
There is virtually zero chance X360 will support dual-link DVI or HDMI output. Thus, you will be limited to ACD 30 max resolution using single-link. I do not know what that is, but it is not the native 2560x1600 resolution.
I believe the max resolution of the ACD 30 using a Single Link connection is 1280x800. I tried it with a Power Mac G3 that had a Radeon 9200 PCI video card.
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Originally posted by cliff1
Does this mean that simply plugging in the DVI cable of my 30-inch Apple Cinema Display into the DVI output of my HD cable tv set-top box will not show any picture at all?
I have an HD cable box. i don't know if the cable box uses HDCP or if it only uses HDCP for some channels or content. Is it possible for a device to use HDCP only some of the time? I will try the cable box with the ADC display some day.
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jonus
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 14:34:44
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The Apple Displays and the upcoming HD Mate are not HDCP compliant. If you want to use your cable box with the cinema display through the HD Mate, you will have to use component out.
Jonathan Wu
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Gefen Inc.
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oneburn
Starting Member
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Posted - 08/01/2006 : 09:35:32
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| is this the same thing as the HD mate? It's the only product available on the market to connect the 360 & 30"? That's crazy! When is a realistic ship date? |
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jonus
Forum Admin
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2006 : 11:56:32
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We are looking to release the VGA to DVI Scaler in the next week or two. keep watching our website to stay posted!
Jonathan Wu
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Gefen Inc.
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Apple 30" with Console