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Zcaithaca
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USA
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 Posted - 12/28/2006 : 20:37:58
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| Is there anyway to hook up a PS3 to a 23" display using a VGA-DVI scaler ( I already bought it and dont really want to speand another 300 bucks to buy another box) I've also heard something about HDMI...is this an issue and what do i need to know about it? |
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Aaronm
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Posted - 01/02/2007 : 10:11:07
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The PS3 has RGB out on it so as long as you have a Component to Vga cable this should work for you. With BlueRay movies it might not work though because of HDCP.
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Zcaithaca
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 04:54:08
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| It says it does not support 1080i for output to the 23" display...is the highest resolution it can go to 720p then? |
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jonus
Forum Admin
USA
847 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 08:07:10
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yes. And disregard that previous note about movies. Movies will work fine through the scaler using a component to vga cable.
Jonathan Wu
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Zcaithaca
Junior Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 12:00:33
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Thank you!
I'm currently having trouble with the "clock" of the screen (vertical bars) will this problem decrease with input on 720p? also, is there any way to fix this while still on 480i?
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jonus
Forum Admin
USA
847 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 12:51:30
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Where are the vertical bars?
Jonathan Wu
Techical Support and Sales
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Zcaithaca
Junior Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 14:34:01
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all over the screen...they arent "solid bars" but they make the picture sort of distorted (the game is still playable)
when i adjust the clock they sort of "squish" the pictures along the bars |
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jonus
Forum Admin
USA
847 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 08:13:09
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The only other time I've heard of vertical bars on a VGA to DVI Scaler was on the newer 23" Apple cinema display. The newest apple monitors changed their timings. The 23" program we have in the scaler are incompatible with those new timings. The issue we've seen, though, made the image unusable. If you have the newest Apple Cinema display with the faster response times and frequencies, it maybe incompatible with our the VGA to DVI Scaler.
Jonathan Wu
Techical Support and Sales
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enzo46
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/28/2007 : 18:31:13
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| alright, heres the deal. what you need to do is 1. buy a FEMALE DVI-D ( make sure its dvi-d not regular dvi) to MALE HDMI adapter. 2 insert the dvi-d port on your display into the adapter. if you need it to be a longer connection get a female hdmi to male hdmi. plug the HDMI end of the connector to the ps3 and whal la!!! |
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Zcaithaca
Junior Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 08:53:48
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All issues solved!
I have the output of the PS3 through component video to a female-female couple to component-VGA adapter cable to VGA scaler (wish I waited a few weeks for scaler plus) to Apple 23" in 720p
It looks great!
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Zcaithaca
Junior Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 09:46:48
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All issues solved!
I have the output of the PS3 through component video to a female-female couple to component-VGA adapter cable to VGA scaler (wish I waited a few weeks for scaler plus) to Apple 23" in 720p
It looks great!
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Christopher
Forum Admin
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Posted - 02/08/2007 : 08:27:52
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2007 : 00:56:06
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hey there guys, im pretty confused now... im exactly on the same problem..
i've got a 20" Apple Cinema Display and a ps3 and i want to get 720p hd on it..
do i need the same as that what has been already said?
"alright, heres the deal. what you need to do is 1. buy a FEMALE DVI-D ( make sure its dvi-d not regular dvi) to MALE HDMI adapter. 2 insert the dvi-d port on your display into the adapter. if you need it to be a longer connection get a female hdmi to male hdmi. plug the HDMI end of the connector to the ps3 and whal la!!!"
and does this work for sure?
if you're not sure.. are there any sure other methods to solve that problem?
i dont understand this one
"The PS3 has RGB out on it so as long as you have a Component to Vga cable this should work for you. With BlueRay movies it might not work though because of HDCP."
what does that mean? sounds for me like something else as dvi-d female to hdmi male =)
thx in advance! =)
[Edit] i just found that
http://www.ramelectronics.net/HTML/EXT-HDMATE-20.htm
what is this all about? is this the solving for my problem? |
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 08:19:25
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The HD Mate will allow you to connect your PS3 to your 20" or 23" Apple Cinema Display. Let me give you some definitions that I dont believe you quite understand Blackface.
HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) is a form of digital rights management (DRM) developed by the Intel Corporation to control digital audio and video content as it travels across Digital Visual Interface (DVI) or High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) connections.
Blue Ray movies and HD-DVD (which doesnt apply to the PS3) have this encryption on the discs to prevent people from copying the discs. Since the Apple Cinema Displays are NOT HDCP COMPLIANT there was some speculation as to whether or not the Cinema Displays will be able to play the Blue Ray discs. But if you use the Component cable to play them then it should work fine. Since HDCP does not travel down analog signals, you wont have to worry about it.
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few
Starting Member
France
3 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2007 : 14:38:40
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hi mates
i got an apple cinema display 23" + PS3
just bought the HD mate scaler and >> nothing !
vertical coloured bars on the screen or coloured snow - nothing else !!!
I heard on this forum about a clock problem on new ACDs ?
i can't even find the onscreen menu
Please help me, it's very frustrating...
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 16:38:13
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If you cant even see the OSD then you have a seperate problem. Call tech support.
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2007 : 06:09:57
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hey there A520 i just bought a dvi-d female to hdmi - male adapter for my ACD to PS3 problem.. and it didnt work at all... it didnt even show a single picture.. simply nothing.. so i think i'll give up that problem... coz this hd mate is only available in america? i dunno.. but im swiss so i dunno where to get it.. could order it online.. but thats the last method i wanna try..
any other ideas how i could get it workin or what i have to do? |
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Posted - 03/30/2007 : 08:25:38
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You can go to our website and locate our european dealer in which they would be able to order that unit for you. The Apple Cinema Displays do not have scalers so with a just cable you cannot hook up your PS3 to it.
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 04:24:19
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will this work for sure? i dont want to spend 300$ for this and then i'll have noise in the screen, annoying jumping lines or an ugly stretched sight.. can u promise me it will work fine on at least 720p on my ACD 20"? if ya can, it'll be ordered instantly
greetz Blacky
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would be this one right?
http://www.ramelectronics.net/HTML/EXT-HDMATE-20.htm
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Christopher
Forum Admin
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 09:47:13
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| It will work with component cables through the HDMATE SCALER. Also, remember to check the DISTRIBUTOR LINK on the home page for a local dealer. |
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2007 : 12:36:01
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and is there any Apple Cinema Display that supports 1080p? 30"? 23"? 20" ? i've got all of em.. but i gotta decide for which of em i gonna buy de HD Mate.. and if as example the 30" ACD supports 1080p i gonna buy the HD Mate for the 30"..
Thx in Advance! |
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 03:48:49
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:20:02
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Its not that they wont support 1080p, its just that they only support their native. The only one that comes close is the 23" because their native is 1920x1200 which is pretty much the equivalent of 1080p.
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:36:27
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which means? does it stretch the view? what about my question before.. does this solution work well? noise.. etc? what would you A520 tell me to take? 23" with HD Mate Scaler 23" ? if yeh could u find me the link to it where i can get it in europe?. =)
i may be dumb ^.-' but i cant find it elswhere as on ram.. and i couldnt figure the distributor in europe out.. so pls help a dumb man get his HD =) |
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 15:05:44
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http://www.gefen.com/dealers/euro.jsp check there for european dealers. the native resolution of the 23" is 1920x1200 which is as close as you will get to 1080p on an apple cinema display. Running HD resolutions look bad on them because of the different timings but 1920x1200 looks good.
Anthony Cortez
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Blackface
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 03:08:40
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wait a second.. so i cant play with my ps3 at HD on my Apple Cinema Display? just normal quality or what? or does that mean i cant play with the exact hd resolution but with something similiar to it.. ( 1920x1200 )
or how did u mean that? |
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 09:55:33
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The 23" Apple Cinema Display cannot run at 1080p. Heres what you will do, and let me clear things up. You CAN input a 1080p signal but on your OUTPUT you would have to run it at 1920x1200. That is the only way you can get your 1080p signal onto your 23". 1080p and 1920x1200 equally the same but they differ greatly by their timings which makes it impossible to input a 1080p signal, natively, onto your 23".
So, you CAN input a 1080p signal through the HD mate, Home Theater Scaler, and the Home Theater Scaler PLUS but to get your 1080p signal onto your 23" you would have to scale it to 1920x1200 which is the native resolution of your 23". And that is where our products come into place.
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neckarb
Average Member
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 16:58:54
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| PS3 -> HDmate 23" Apple Cinema Display, looks amazing and works perfectly at 1080p via component, you can only do 1080i witha blu ray disk because the ps3 wont output blu ray disks to component at 1080p, only HDMI (which you cant use with the ACD because it requires HDCP which ACD does not have) |
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 10:51:04
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ace.
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2007 : 09:53:54
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awsome! ordered it now =) should be here in a few days.. now just a lil final question =)
what cable do i need to connect my ps3 to the HD mate scaler?
something like HDMI male to dvi-d male or what?
or just a normal HDMI to HDMI cable ?
thx! |
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Christopher
Forum Admin
718 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2007 : 11:42:59
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| Sony sells a component(RGB) cable for the PS3 |
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Blackface
Junior Member
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2007 : 12:36:33
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but i wanted HD Reso? can the hd mate do it from n rgb connection?
it seems to me that i need to connect it thorugh HDMI to HDMI or something like that..
i dunno, i cant read in your answer if you realy answered my question. |
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jonus
Forum Admin
USA
847 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2007 : 13:01:12
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There is no way to connect a PS3 to an Apple Cinema display with a digital connection (HDMI or DVI) because the PS3 only works with HDCP compliant monitors (which the Apple display is not). You can only connect the PS3 to the Apple Cinema display using component cable connected to the HDMate. This way, you will get 1080i deinterlaced to 1080p and formatted to fit on the Apple Cinema display.
Jonathan Wu
Technical Support and Sales
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Blackface
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 13:51:52
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alright, i think i understand now =) thank ya very much!
hmm but.. how is the sound done then? my ACD doenst have any speakers xD how can i still get sound then? |
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 14:55:20
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Well you can take the optical out of the PS3 and out optical from the Mate. Other than that there really isnt a way unless im missing something.
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Blackface
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 15:19:50
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and what kind of signal can i get it out the HD Mate then?
is it like this?
ps3 <-(2x Optical Male)-> HD Mate
but what then? can i put speakers into the hd mate or how did u think to get the sound out then? |
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 08:24:03
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in that case you have to have some sort of audio reciever that will take care of the sound. With the HD Mate if you input analog audio thats what you will get, analog audio. If you input digital, then that is what you will get on the output, digital.
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Lau25
Starting Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/15/2007 : 07:37:33
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Hi,
I want to connect my PS2 and Wii via Component, and my PS3 via DVI to the HD Mate Scaler.
Is that possible or do i have to connect my PS3 via component to the device, and will i have trouble with HDCP or not? (Im gona have a Apple Cinema Display (23inch) connected to it)
Thank you very much in advance!! |
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JasonFitz
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 10/16/2007 : 08:56:16
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Unfortunately, it will not be possible to use the PS3 with your Apple display because it does not support HDCP. You would have to connect it to the HD Mate via a component cable. Although, the maximum resolution you will be able to use will be 1080i as that is the maximum resolution that the PS3 will output via component.
Jason Fitzgerald
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Lau25
Starting Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 02:21:55
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Originally posted by JasonFitz
Unfortunately, it will not be possible to use the PS3 with your Apple display because it does not support HDCP. You would have to connect it to the HD Mate via a component cable. Although, the maximum resolution you will be able to use will be 1080i as that is the maximum resolution that the PS3 will output via component.
Jason Fitzgerald
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I think you are completely wrong, the PS3 >IS< capable of outputting 1080P via component, check: http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Accessories/SCPH-10490. Anyway my question was if its possible to connect the PS3 via DVI onto the HD Mate Scaler and get an image on my Cinema Display. Or do i really have to use the component cable to bypass the HDCP issue? |
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 16:20:19
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if you come out of your PS3 via component then you will not have your signal encrypted with HDCP. If you come out either HDMI or DVI then the answer is "NO". You cannot use the HD Mate Scaler (from my understanding) to bypass the HDCP encryption process.
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JasonFitz
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USA
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Posted - 10/18/2007 : 09:57:45
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1080p material, such as video games, will be able to pass over the component cable. I don't think I was clear on that point. If you try to play protected content such as Blueray discs over component, you WILL NOT be able to output them at 1080p over the component cables. Sony is very vague on how their component cables actually operate on their system. While the cable is capable of displaying 1080p, the content that is being played will determine whether or not 1080p will pass over the component cable. AACS contracted devices, such as the blueray players and HD-DVD players, will not allow 1080p content to be viewed over component cables. So, you will still have to use the component cable to bypass HDCP when it comes to blueray movies with a maximum resolution of 1080i, but you will be able to get full 1080p for video game content over component. 
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macman
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 17:55:21
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| i would just like to express my thanks to all the invaluable info given within this topic, and the extreme patience shown at the repetitive nature of the questions asked, understandably given the cost of making a mistake. i will now place my order for a HD MATE scaler and trust when connected to my 30inch ACD via the DVI port and component cables to my APPLE TV i should be able to get around this HDCP issue and enjoy the 1080p quality , please correct me if i got something wrong. |
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philsmcc
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USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 09:09:05
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No!!! Stop the order!! The HD mate scaler will only allow you to use the 30" ACD at 1280x800 (exactally half of its native resolution) It will still look pretty good, but it's not going to be 1080p-- more like 720p in quality.
The reason for this is the max resolution of the HD mate scaler is 1920x1200. The 30" apple monitor will not accept that resolution, unless it is plugged into your computer. The computer does all the scaling and sends everything to the monitor at 2560x1600.
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macman
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
27 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2008 : 12:48:54
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Phil,
AUGH !,just when i thought i had cracked this 1080p nut reality bites, PHEW! is there anyway i can get 1080p on my ACD, using another device then or should i make the best of my ACD limitations, macman. |
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philsmcc
Administrator
USA
301 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 08:16:58
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No dual link scaler yet. We are going to have one, but but it's not soon enough to have a release date.
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macman
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/13/2008 : 17:09:27
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| Phil will a dual link scaler solve my problem. |
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philsmcc
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 17:20:40
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A dual link scaler would solve your problem, but we still don't have one. When we do, it would scale 1080p up to 2560x1600, rather than scaling 1080p down to 1280x800.
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Techical Support and Sales
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winston
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2008 : 07:27:35
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| OK, I've read this thread, but I'm confused on the 30" ACD. I have a 30" ACD I got about a year ago. I'm looking to get a PS3 and use the monitor while I save up for an actual TV. Is it possible to play the games and watch movies at 1080i (I can wait for 1080p when I get my TV) via a simple component to DVI device with this setup? If so, what is the device you offer that will do that? |
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philsmcc
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USA
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Posted - 04/15/2008 : 17:01:00
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The closest thing we have is the HDMATE scaler, but the maximum resolution when connected to an apple 30" is going to be 1280x800 (exactally half of the 30" monitor's native resolution) The 30" apple monitor only works at 2560x1600, and 1280x800. When it is connected to your computer and you use other resolutions, the video card is scaling whatever resolution you have selected up to 2560x1600.
Phil McClellan
Techical Support and Sales
Gefen Inc.
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JPW
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 14:35:15
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Hello All,
I've read through many of these blogs online and its good to see that other people are also trying to get the best out of their tech bits and bobs.
I connect my xBox 360 to my old dell (1280x1024) screen with a HDMI to DVI cable. It worked. I wasn't bothered about quality or scaling at this stage just to see what if it would work. It did, it loaded in 640x480 and I could change it to 1280x1024. The option of going to 1920x1080 was there but didn't do much when I changed it. There was no 1920x1200. The pixel count options available were tv standards, understandable.
I wanted to connect the xBox to one of my Apple Cinema Displays 23" in the same way. Hopefully to make us of the high pixel count. I thought I would experience bars at the top and bottom as 1200>1080 but keeping full 1920 width. I plugged up,.. nothing. The screen LED flashes 3 times. Reading up on the screen this indicates a signal that cannot be displayed. This is in keeping with what philsmcc said on 02/06/08. The signal is 1920x1080 and the screen in 1920x1200.
To get around this problem I bought the Gefen HDMI to DVI Audio Adapter, thinking the problem was with the HDCP as well as screen size.
I can say this does not work either.
My question to Gefen,
Do you have anything that will enable the HDMI from the XBOX into the Mac 23" display with some sort of audio output available?
And if not get it out quick. There is clearly a big market.
Cheers, John
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Look at the Dell 24+" screens.
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&category_id=6761&~ck=bt
I hate to say it but Apple missed a trick with their displays, even the beautiful new one.
http://www.apple.com/displays/
They seem to be very much intended for computer connections and not trying to get different sources in. They aren't good for getting our xBoxs and PS3 in at 1080p |
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Eugene
Administrator
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 08:38:51
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| You can use component cables going in to HD Mate Scaler and then to your 23” via DVI. |
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JPW
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 12:22:12
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Many thanks for your speedy response Eugene.
Great news then, and I could make use of the Toslink audio output.
What would be the size displayed on the ACD 23" ?
Thanks for your help,
John
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Eugene
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 12:33:08
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| 23” only does one resolution and its 1920x1200. |
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PS3-Apple Cinema Display 23"